Replay Request

I am unsure what has happened in the past , but I would say this could easily have ended up in the gravel If storm had not locked a tire and ran wide it would have been contact.  Its one of those if I knew the driver I might chance the dive but otherwise I would have lined him up for the exit.

If the dive worked all ok, if not would have been a kick if Nova had already been warned and it sounds like he had.

Yeah I was fully aware of the consequences and I knew the move had to stick, I was as controlled as a F15 raptor :P I know Storm, he's a chill dude and I've raced him way back when Blackwood had kerbs that you could skip over

In no way am I doubting the Racing code of conduct or the server rules on passing, just really confused and pretty disappointed that racing hard is not encouraged in demo as much as it should. I mean, trusting your opponent is part of racing and without that we shouldn't even be racing in the first place, should we? 

Again, not annoyed or angry but more disappointed imo, but yeah. Appreciate the different opinions though, and in demo yes I feel we should be more cautious especially around other newer racers... or drivers we don't know :D

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that "accident". Nice tight overtake.

Pictures doesn't sell justice. I saw the replay, nova is behind storm before turn, agreed. But storm there missed his line by locking his front tires thereby leaving enough gap to be overtaken. Also he was on a slower pace there.  

I don't want to judge the move he made, since it is based on user's perspective. I would see that as fun as he is in control and dint cause mess. 

Apart from that, regarding the entry position, its not a harsh move at all. Storm relatively has a slower pace than Nova. At the point of entry, in Nova's driver POV, I can clearly see there is a nice gap and Storm's front tyre skidding, storm wasn't able to close the door - which is a nice opportunity for an overtake. 

Entry point rule is clean, even I have known it and preferred to stick to it. But that doesn't mean I have to stick to it if the driver in front of me has a significantly lower pace. I cannot follow him at 115Km/h speed when my pace is 130Km/h just because entry point rule is there. And I'm sure that rule is not meant to be followed there too. 

I'm in 100% defense of Nova regarding the overtake at corner.

You will defend him obviously like you tried to get a rule changed which worked for 9+ years

If you want to judge me, you should get the facts right first. I clearly mentioned that I wanted you to consider reducing the "strictness" of the Shift + S rule, not change it. 

I have watched the replay a million times. 

Assuming a possibility that Storm din't lockout, lets see these below frozen frames. This was paused just before Storm starts locking up his front tires.

1. Storm is at 121 Km/h. Nova is still behind him.


2. Same frame Nova is at 125 Km/h


3. Same frame, from Nova's view, look at the brake pedal at bottom right corner. Nova already left the brake after seeing that there is good gap for him. 


If suppose Storm din't get locked out brakes, and decided to close the door, it is very much possible for Nova to brake more and prevent any hard collision for sure. 

In replay, It is pretty intuitional from Nova's POV, that storm already missed the line where he can hug the kerb and hence Nova did release brakes with confidence. 

By these facts in mind, of course I will defend Nova obviously, just like how I question a rule which is irrational to particular circumstances, instead of blindly following it - just because it is a "RULE which worked 9+ years". No, I'm not a robot. I'm a rational human being.

prasanths96 -  You kept going on about it after you was told that there was no chance it would be changed. About the replay,  What you are actually seing is that he slowed down for the corner, he is not as fast as we are so he slows down more than we do, also it makes no difference to the fact of a car jumping in on the inside being wrong, any experienced driver would know that the only place he could of gone for is the outside. Also learn what closing the door means, when your on entry the car that is ahead has his line so you can do as you wish, as long as you do not make more than your 1 defensive move

Your opinion and even my opinion makes no difference on the hard written rules of racing, which i have proven and no matter the whining and arguing , it will not change facts . Aggressive racing does not work on demo servers and instead causes the type of environment that many already think of demo racing where its just a crash fest.  I have watched and taken part in more demo racing than you both combined which in turn gives me that amount of experience to know what would happen without such rules in place.  I do not doubt his capabilities of being in that situation but that does not alter rules for people.  If we expect new racers to follow a rule then we must also do follow them. 
To be honest its only out of respect that i even discussed the rules as we are under no obligation to discuss them

Your top picture shows exactly what i am stating, who was ahead , thank you

(defender=storm as ahead) If the attacker has only their front wing alongside the defender’s  rear wheel. The defender has the right to the racing line. A collision at the apex is entirely the fault of the attacker. - source https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/...of-racing/

Thought this was over but just to add little fuel to the fire. The move was stupid and risky it was only pure luck Storm left room otherwise it would be a crash at fault of Nova. Now regarding the rules MRc has had the same rules for like 9 years and the servers have always been the place to go for clean and good racing on demo #fact. This is a good debate but i feel some people might not like when proved i am happy to debate anyone in a voice chat. Nova move was stupid change my mind@ mrc discord :D

prasanths96 -  You kept going on about it after you was told that there was no chance it would be changed. 

I was going on since you weren't giving any rational explanation. You said "RULE is the RULE". When Nova said "Let's ask Simon", you said "I'm the owner of the server and Simon will ask you to ask me". These worlds clearly shown that you din't want to listen because you blindly follow the rules, which I do not expect a person like you. 

You didn't want to judge the incident rationally. 

A Shift + S rule is meant to save racers behind the driver who spins out. Where I spun out, I was at the road after SC2 T1 (After straight), there was no racer closeby. I clearly knew I wont cause any harm even remotely. I spun out to the right part of the track, which is well away from the racing line. And if I recall, the driver behind me crossed me after I came to a stop. That's how far the driver was. 

Now I was already aligned my car to the right side of the road and when just about to return race very cautiously (Where no racer behind me on map), I get pitlaned by you. 

I din't cause the "problem" which "Shift+S" meant to solve.

None would have pitlaned me at that point, except you. I would have happily accepted even a kick if I failed to shift+s and caused harm. 


A less strict Shift+S still would have worked well for 9+ years and also experienced racers would have got more fun.

" he is not as fast as we are so he slows down more than we do"

Exactly, I wouldn't follow a slow racer through a corner if gap is present, or else it isnt a race. 

"any experienced driver would know that the only place he could of gone for is the outside"

You can't claim that. Trick strategies are part of race. There's no single option. This overtake is already a proof that "outside" is not the only option.

"Also learn what closing the door means, when your on entry the car that is ahead has his line so you can do as you wish, as long as you do not make more than your 1 defensive move"

I am well aware what is the rational meaning of that. I know Storm had the full right of the line there. But as you mentioned " he is not as fast as we are so he slows down more than we do", so naturally at that time, when gap is found, the driver behind is going to come side by side and he had to "close the door" ~ "close the gap" to prevent it. So you understand it rationally rather definitively. 

"I have watched and taken part in more demo racing than you both combined"

You think you do. I am into LFS demo 2010 March (my previous account password got lost), and only got S2 licence few days back. So, I have had my fair share of experience.  


Finally, I would like to say, in regard to my irrational Shift+S incident, "A RULE IS NOT PRACTICALLY ALWAYS A RULE". Even in real life, the Jury would listen to the explanation given by the lawyer and rationally judge. Sometimes when the explanation is rational, the Jury accepts the explanation even it breaks the so called "RULES". 
Why is an admin expected to be an experienced racer with good judgement, when anybody can Kick, Ban, Spec without taking situation into consideration, simply saying according to "RULES".

highlights -
I was going on since you weren't giving any rational explanation. You said "RULE is the RULE". - Perfect answer from an owner no need to carry on.

"A RULE IS NOT PRACTICALLY ALWAYS A RULE". - Wrong rules are rules.'

when anybody can Kick, Ban, Spec without taking situation into consideration, - only staff can do this other than mass vote to kick/ban but then that would be the verdict from the "jury"

a racing incident that went very well for NOVA! it was risky to make such a maneuver. STORM passed the corner perfectly stopped time

Pras can we call it off, you've made Spe1l change his mind :p

Thought I closed it off with my statement already :(
No more arguing because I think the summary was basically what everyone's trying to say bere, no point dragging on lol

Pras can we call it off, you've made Spe1l change his mind :p

Thought I closed it off with my statement already :(
No more arguing because I think the summary was basically what everyone's trying to say bere, no point dragging on lol

Once again you're wrong ! where does it show spell has changed his mind ? becoming somewhat of a pattern with you being wrong, prasanth i remember you joining LFS so are you certain, and even so, id guarantee you driven less than half my distance on both accounts 

Also what you state regarding a rule not being rule or whatever your babbling on about, lol let me explain how incorrect you are, a law(rule) is always a law, the purpose of a judge ect is to decide if that law has been broken, a law is always a law and can only be changed within  a governing body. a judges role is only to come to a conclusion if the law had been broken, the judge being an owner of the server you had been on at the time who has been an admin on the servers for 9 years and so yes has more experience in running servers and has done so for the whole 9 years. I did not get where i am today by making daisy chains for samix but from showing that i was capable enough to run the servers. The only thing i think sam would not agree with, is me even allowing it to be discussed beyond an explanation

If you want things to be different then you have your servers to do it on, good luck