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In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that "accident". Nice tight overtake.

Using the word "accident" also implies that something went wrong, again without meaning to cause offence, you have very little time racing and the are the cause of incidents, which counters your opinion as something you would do yourself

CONCLUSION - I have shown the relevant rules for racing so given the proof that it was against the rules, i do not have to explain anything else and no matter what anyone says, it does not change the rule written in the FIA rule book. What even makes it more obvious that its about someones ego more than anything is the fact that he was not penalised in any way for the move yet he is whinging like he had been kicked/banned. The type of racing that would assume that its ok to go over the white lines on the edge of the track to stop draft which is also against the rules of racing yet i have seen before shows the lack of knowing the rules

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/...of-racing/

Overtaking
O-1: To obtain right of road position in a corner, the overtaker's car must have substantial overlap of the car that is being overtaken, before they reach the corner's turn-in point. Should the overtaking car not have enough overlap, the leading car may resume its racing line without fear of contact.
O-2: The car on the outside has the right to outside room all the way through the corner – right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the outside towards the exit point.
O-3: The car on the inside has the right to inside room all the way through the corner - right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the inside towards the apex area. The ahead driver can still battle for the position of course but must do so while maintaining side room for the behind driver. The practice of going up the inside of an ahead car after that car has already turned in, and where there was no established substantial overlap before the turn-in point, is sometimes referred to as barge passing, (i.e. you barge your way past). Understand that barge passing is a high risk manoeuvre for both you and others. You have no rights what-so-ever as a barge passer.
O-4: Where an ahead driver has clearly made a sufficient error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. E.g. - If the ahead driver brakes too late and drifts out wide of the apex and then has to reduce speed etc. This would be a valid passing opportunity regardless of whether there was pre-existing overlap. However, there is still substantial responsibility on the overtaking driver to take all necessary care to avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not be sufficient to justify an attacking passing move however. Just because the ahead driver gets a bit out of shape at times does not give you an automatic right to pass uncontested by them or a right to room. You still have to judge if their error provides sufficient opportunity for a safe pass to take place.
O-5: Ahead drivers have the right to choose any line down a straight. The ahead driver may make one move to block the opposing car, and one move to return to the racing line before the next corner - Unless the opposing car has overlap.
O-6: Ahead drivers have the right to take any line through a corner, unless an opposing car has overlap.

aight lemme give out my 2 cents on this.
First of all, this is some real good popcorn content.

Second of all, it is deemed illegal in Formula1 (considering that we are somewhat racing with formula1 rules in FBM) and I think that there is a rule strictly disallowing harsh moves under braking and swerving in both the server and F1. This was both of them at once. The situation was lucky to say the least. It could've easily ended really poorly. For example, after the first swerve to the outside, Storm could've decided that the battle is over, because Nova could get a better exit most of the times if he takes the outside and is significantly alongside, and proceed to take an inside line into the corner, taking the apex.

It's a dangerous, illegal move and I don't think that it should even be discussed. But what saves Nova in that situation is the fact he pulled it off well and got lucky. Most people would've easily lost control or miss their braking point. On the topic of most people,

most people would've also gotten banned/kicked immediately for such behavior and this comes from someone who has been kicked for taking a slightly deeper approach into turn1 lap1 on the inside. I am 100% sure that if this was someone else, we wouldn't even be discussing it right now. I am not the one that can criticize Nova and Storm on their driving and their lap times as I am a bit harsh on defense too and have had a few warnings from MRc staff, but I feel like for a such basic thing like that, I can give my opinion.

aight lemme give out my 2 cents on this.
First of all, this is some real good popcorn content.

Second of all, it is deemed illegal in Formula1 (considering that we are somewhat racing with formula1 rules in FBM) and I think that there is a rule strictly disallowing harsh moves under braking and swerving  in both the server and F1. This was both of them at once. The situation was lucky to say the least. It could've easily ended really poorly. For example, after the first swerve to the outside, Storm could've decided that the battle is over, because Nova could get a better exit most of the times if he takes the outside and is significantly alongside, and proceed to take an inside line into the corner, taking the apex.

It's a dangerous, illegal move and I don't think that it should even be discussed. But what saves Nova in that situation is the fact he pulled it off well and got lucky. Most people would've easily lost control or miss their braking point. On the topic of most people,

most people would've also gotten banned/kicked immediately for such behavior and this comes from someone who has been kicked for taking a slightly deeper approach into turn1 lap1 on the inside. I am 100% sure that if this was someone else, we wouldn't even be discussing it right now. I am not the one that can criticize Nova and Storm on their driving and their lap times as I am a bit harsh on defense too and have had a few warnings from MRc staff, but I feel like for a such basic thing like that, I can give my opinion.

Thank you berdy ,  a sensible opinion and it was not like he had been kicked/banned nor even warned for it, i stated to him that it was against the rules of racing. anyway i must go get ready for to go on my holiday, have fun and take care 


Overtaking
O-1: To obtain right of road position in a corner, the overtaker's car must have substantial overlap of the car that is being overtaken, before they reach the corner's turn-in point. Should the overtaking car not have enough overlap, the leading car may resume its racing line without fear of contact.
O-2: The car on the outside has the right to outside room all the way through the corner – right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the outside towards the exit point.
O-3: The car on the inside has the right to inside room all the way through the corner - right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the inside towards the apex area. The ahead driver can still battle for the position of course but must do so while maintaining side room for the behind driver. The practice of going up the inside of an ahead car after that car has already turned in, and where there was no established substantial overlap before the turn-in point, is sometimes referred to as barge passing, (i.e. you barge your way past). Understand that barge passing is a high risk manoeuvre for both you and others. You have no rights what-so-ever as a barge passer.
O-4: Where an ahead driver has clearly made a sufficient error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. E.g. - If the ahead driver brakes too late and drifts out wide of the apex and then has to reduce speed etc. This would be a valid passing opportunity regardless of whether there was pre-existing overlap. However, there is still substantial responsibility on the overtaking driver to take all necessary care to avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not be sufficient to justify an attacking passing move however. Just because the ahead driver gets a bit out of shape at times does not give you an automatic right to pass uncontested by them or a right to room. You still have to judge if their error provides sufficient opportunity for a safe pass to take place.
O-5: Ahead drivers have the right to choose any line down a straight. The ahead driver may make one move to block the opposing car, and one move to return to the racing line before the next corner - Unless the opposing car has overlap.
O-6: Ahead drivers have the right to take any line through a corner, unless an opposing car has overlap.

 prasanth i remember you joining LFS so are you certain, and even so, id guarantee you driven less than half my distance on both accounts 

I have been playing LFS, since XRT was a demo car and there was no such thing as creating user account to join online. 

We clearly have different opinions, be it the Shift+S case or the overtake case. We are not going to convince each other and come in agreement with single conclusion. Besides, this is MRc forum and knowingly or unknowingly there is some bias present for sure. So, there is no point in seeking agreement. 

Also, mood was also a factor of yesterday's incident. If we sit back and see, neither this incident nor the Shift+S one is that big of a deal. I, as a friend and an experienced driver, expected you to have at least heard out and thought my side of perception, which clearly you din't want to. I will not try anymore to convince anyone.

Opinion in LFS community outside MRc: It's a 14-0 so far. Wouldn't be surprised if I start seeing negative votes from now.
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/93611-Hard-racing-in-Demo---Too-much%2C-or-just-not-enough%3F

I will consider yours as opinion as well, and not a fact. Peace.

Nova just so we are clear no one has changed my mind i still think the move you did was stupid :D

If I was to vote on that lfs thread it would be for fair move.

But you don't seem to get it was on an MRc demo server and we class that as diving. And everybody saying this was good driving between the pair I dont understand, as it was storms bad driving sliding wide that prevented an accident. If storms front would have griped and hit the apex this thread would have been crasher nova.

 prasanth i remember you joining LFS so are you certain, and even so, id guarantee you driven less than half my distance on both accounts 

I have been playing LFS, since XRT was a demo car and there was no such thing as creating user account to join online. 

We clearly have different opinions, be it the Shift+S case or the overtake case. We are not going to convince each other and come in agreement with single conclusion. Besides, this is MRc forum and knowingly or unknowingly there is some bias present for sure. So, there is no point in seeking agreement. 

Also, mood was also a factor of yesterday's incident. If we sit back and see, neither this incident nor the Shift+S one is that big of a deal. I, as a friend and an experienced driver, expected you to have at least heard out and thought my side of perception, which clearly you din't want to. I will not try anymore to convince anyone.

Opinion in LFS community outside MRc: It's a 14-0 so far. Wouldn't be surprised if I start seeing negative votes from now.
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/93611-Hard-racing-in-Demo---Too-much%2C-or-just-not-enough%3F

I will consider yours as opinion as well, and not a fact. Peace.

How old are you. Lfs days of no forum user account was nearly 19 years ago. And what I say is fact as I have shown. Your inability to see the evidence i provided shows that you do not care for the truth. Bad representation on behalf of AA whom I do respect and would respect their rules of I was on there server

It would be an opinion if I had no basis for what i say. But I provide hard evidence. Maybe if you learned from us it would help on your servers.

Prasanth you was 5 years old when Lfs had no accounts and I remember you starting Lfs so call bull on your claim

I think that with the relevant evidence shown this discussion has nothing else left to say. If you disagree with the rule then contact the FIA as I cannot change it